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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by numbnuts on Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:12 pm

Does Nicholas mind you deeping in him? Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy Very Happy

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by Jackracing on Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:51 pm


........and they say all the perverts are in South Lincolnshire....I think they have the map upside down Shocked

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Wed Sep 16, 2015 10:27 pm

The engine install is pretty much complete now. Just got to work out which wire feeds the oil pressure sensor light. Then sort out the throttle cable.





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Post by billy f on Thu Sep 17, 2015 7:52 am

Looking like a neat install Very Happy

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Post by numbnuts on Thu Sep 17, 2015 8:33 am

billy f wrote:Looking like a neat install Very Happy

Shame about the driver Very Happy

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by Jackracing on Thu Sep 17, 2015 9:07 am


Good work.

You have completed in weeks what would have taken me all winter if I was lucky.

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 11:21 am

Thanks for the kind words gents

Edward I shall get a couple of photos of the back online just to get you used to looking at it tongue Very Happy

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by numbnuts on Thu Sep 17, 2015 12:57 pm

IAN51 wrote:Thanks for the kind words gents

Edward I shall get a couple of photos of the back online just to get you used to looking at it tongue Very Happy

I pray you are talking about the car?

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Thu Sep 17, 2015 1:39 pm

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 5:24 pm

Well just got back from the rolling road we have 189.4 bhp @ 6970 rpm and max torque 161.9lbft at 5365 rpm

Chuffed to bits Very Happy
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by numbnuts on Tue Sep 29, 2015 6:42 pm

wow thats good, did you think it was standard? must have camms and head work!

Ps. any idea on the cars weight with you in it?
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 7:34 pm

Yes I reckon it is standard from what I've read on locostbuilders that seems about right the only deviation  from standard was that mine has a vernier exhaust cam pulley but that made no difference  to the top bhp figure but it did boost the midrange when we retarded it slightly and the power graph is so linear.

I reckon the key is in having proper vvt control

I don't know what the car weighs Ed it should be around 550kg
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Post by numbnuts on Tue Sep 29, 2015 8:51 pm

Yeah I forgot it was an st170 still good though. Interesting (if a little geeky) to compare torque curves with mine. By my rough calculations we have about 5 BHP per ton between us Inc driver. (260 and 265) You do weigh about 75kg right? Wink
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Post by IAN51 on Tue Sep 29, 2015 10:22 pm

Ed I shit 75Kg
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by billy f on Wed Sep 30, 2015 7:29 am

No wonder you had an outside toilet at St Goueno Shocked

That's a great low-cost result though and 6bhp / 10lbsft more than my Silvertop.  Mines got my diy head work and fast road cams to get that power, whilst yours is still standard.  Thankfully they were transferred from the 1800 so didn't cost anything, but if I had bought them it would probably have made it more expensive than the ST plus the VVT controller.

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 9:23 am

Your right Billy the cams cost me £250 from memory

We had problems getting the Nodiz to connect yesterday so it's still running on a base map the rolling road operator reckons it looks right at the top end but could be advanced a bit more in the midrange I have got to order a new bluetooth dongle as that appeared to be the problem

Other benefits  of the ST motor include

Sodium filled valves
Slipper pistons
Forged rods
Bigger ports

There are loads but that's all I can remember
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by billy f on Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:06 am

These engines seem readily available at about £300, and a 2.0 silver top is now pretty difficult to come by, so it looks like this could be an inexpensive replacement for the silver top.

Does the ST have solid lifters as well? If so what will it rev to and does it need ARP con-rod bolts?
Does it have the split sump like the blacktop, so that the steel lower sump can be modified?


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Post by IAN51 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:24 am

Yes it does have solid lifter

Two part sump your Dunnel would fit you can buy a kit from Dunnel with the extra bits required

It has 9mm rod bolts instead of 8mm I have not bothered with ARP
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 10:27 am

Just to add it's a taller engine by virtue of the vvt solenoid but you could blank the vvt off and run vernier pulleys I can tell you about blanking it off as you have access to a lathe you could probably do that yourself
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by billy f on Wed Sep 30, 2015 11:04 am

As the Mk2 is used on the road, I would like to keep the VVT.

No need to buy ARP bolts is a further saving Smile

Looking better all the time as an economic swop for the silvertop if/when it dies!

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:03 pm

Just re read your question The Rev limit when in the focus is 7200rpm I reckon you could safely push beyond that but there would be little point as the torque curve is dropping like a stone
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Post by billy f on Wed Sep 30, 2015 12:27 pm

just been reading that the red line on the tacho is indicated as 7250 but the std ecu doesn't start reacting till 7350, so 7500 momentarily during racing will be no problem at all.

I really like the idea of using an engine with as many standard internals as possible as it cuts costs and makes it easier to replace, I think you have found an ideal engine with the ST Smile

heaven forbid it goes wrong, but if it does its just a few hundred quid to replace and swop over a few bolt-on parts.

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by numbnuts on Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:13 pm

I am with you on this apart from the height diff it sounds perfect for a back up for me as well. would the race line sump fit? and what height diff are we talking about I could lower the engine a few mm and chop the top of the oil filler.

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Wed Sep 30, 2015 5:43 pm

I reckon the height difference was about 20mm my oil filler touches the bonnet but that's unmodified

Race line sump fits but you require some extra parts can't remember the cost but I have 80 quid in my mind
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Mon Oct 05, 2015 8:10 am

Productive day yesterday

Quaife Atb fitted

Front anti roll bar fitted

Replaced worn bush on lower wishbone

Tonneau 80% fitted
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Mon Oct 12, 2015 3:50 pm

Well what a day that was. Shocked

My thoughts after driving the car in anger for the first time.

Obviously I'm over the moon with the way the car went and more importantly how it lasted the oil temp never went over 105 degrees and the water temps sat resolute at 85 degrees.

Chassis wise I'm a little concerned at the snap oversteer moments I had the one on the turn in to corum was HUGE I fortunately stopped about 6ft short of the Marshall post. I have my own theories why. But I suspect that I have to shoulder the blame in the large as I think I was turning in to aggressive as I would have done with the fezza. I think I need to develop a more gentle touch with the steering inputs hopefully made better when I move the steering wheel a bit nearer.

Sounds daft I'm not sure there is much wrong with the brakes other than the compound feeling quite hard. I may have to try some different brands of pads before I settle on one that suits.

Over the moon with how it went though I was only 600th of a second of my best time in the fezza last year I'm still left feeling that there is plenty to come from this car.

Love it Very Happy
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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by IAN51 on Sun Nov 22, 2015 7:54 pm

Been over to Procomp today for Matt to have a look at my shock absorbers so I can get a set of Protech on the car. He found a couple of issues with the current set up. The biggest of which is 60mm of rake towards the rear. So I should get my nice new shocks next weekend and I can set up the ride height whilst fitting.

The drive over wasn't bad but the roads were really greasy any application of the throttle lit up the back wheels very entertaining Twisted Evil


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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by Jackracing on Sun Nov 22, 2015 8:46 pm


Sounds like a good plan.

I have been meaning to call Matt for weeks, must get on with it tomorrow.

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Re: Fisher Fury

Post by billy f on Mon Nov 23, 2015 7:37 am

It will be interesting to see what difference they will make

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